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Updated November 12, 2000

An early meeting regarding the Stelco site devlopment focused on a walkabout of the area by community members, and representatives from TeleCommons. Our "main
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Stelco Plant Walkabout:
Swansea Community Comments and Input
September 6, 2000

Report prepared by:
TeleCommons Development Group
www.telecommons.com [opens in new browser window]

This document has been prepared by the TeleCommons Development Group based on viewpoints and opin tans shared during the Walkabout. It is intended to reflect the views of the Swansea Community members who participated in the walkabout.

Participants:

Swansea:
David Miller (Councillor). Victoria Masnyk (SARA), Jamie Bell (Town Hall),
SoMeiQuan (City Planning), Norm McLeod (Swansea Historical Society), Ron Braun (SARA),
John Leeson (world19), Don Jennison, (Long-time resident,)

TeleCommons Development Group:
Don Richardson, Helen Aitkin, Heidi Clark

Why a Walkabout?
Plans are in the works for the development of the old Stelco Plant in the south end of the Village of Swansea. REON, the company that is proposing to purchase and develop the site, wants community input, and has engaged the TeleCommons Development Group to facilitate communication with the Swansea Community.

The Walkabout
The group congregated on the comer of Ellis and the Queensway at noon, toured the perirneter of the plant as they informally discussed focus issues, opportunities for improvements. commnriity characteristics, as well as the historical background of the community. Norm McLeod and Don Richardson took photos to record some of the focus areas. Helen Aiticin and Heidi Clark took notes.

The following is a synopsis of many of the comments and images recorded during file walkabout.

 

The Ellis-Queensway Corner

The north-east corner of Stelco property is fenced in, contains many trees, and a small creek covered by a small pedestrian bridge. The creek emerges from nowhere and disappears again underground. This corner was once the site of the West Toronto Junction Pumping Station, which pumped water from Ellis to Runnymede. The stone from over the doorway is now in the City Archives.

There was a general feeling that this corner should be preserved and enhanced as a "natural" landscape. Although it is on a very busy traffic route. it is kitty-corner from Grenadier Pond, a naturalized landscape in the heart of Toronto. On the south-east corner of the intersection, directly south of Grenadier Pond, there are plans for a wetlands area for storm-water control.

Traffic is a problem at this corner, and where Ellis passes under the railway bridge and the Gardiner Expressway. The underpass is very narrow, dangerous, dirty and noisy. Despite significant efforts to lobby the CNR to improve the situation, there has been no response.

Pictures taken from this corner: (Click on image to load larger picture).

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Looking west on Queensway. Grenadier Pond is in upper left. Taken from west end of Stelco property. (40K) Ellis-Queensway corner of Stelco property discussed on this page. (74K)

                  

Suggestions:

  • Enhance this corner as a natural area, as opposed to an "activity centre". Given that this corner is the entrance to the community heading west from City-Centre, it would be wonderfial to treat this as a transition area, utilizing trees, landscape and water to create a tree-lined corridor leading into Swansea.
  • Preserve and enhance the creek. Can it be "daylighted" (more exposed)? Can it be incorporated into a natural fountain?
  • Preserve the large, significant trees.
  • Coordinate the design of the Stelco property corner with the proposed wetlands stormwater development across Ellis.
  • Bring the CNR to the table in the Stelco site planning.

Questions:
When did Stelco acquire this comer property?

 

West along the Queensway

Beyond the green-space we came to the building that was once the plant office, located on the SE comer of the Windermere-Queensway intersection. This building had burned down in 1906* and rebuilt from scratch. It is significant historically, but also for the two by ten wooden beams on the ceiling. The building is currently boarded up and in bad disrepair.

*[note added by world19: at the subsequent "Stelco" development, Norm McLeod corrected this. This building did not burn in 1906, but was instead one of the original buildings dating from the 1890's]

Click on images below for larger image.

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The Stelco office building on Windermere, between The Queensway & railway tracks/Gardiner Expressway. Palace Pier towers in background. (40K) The Windermere "portal". CN bridge & narrow passage to the lakeshore. (42K)

Windermere Avenue passes under another Railway bridge and the Expressway. Windermere is a high traffic corridor, and, as on Ellis, the underpass is very narrow and dangerous. South of the underpass the City is planning to build a 5-storey 42 unit building for low-income singles housing. The community is opposed to this plan*, given the building's location right next to the Expressway, its isolation from services, and the lack of thought that has gone into the plan.

* [note added by world19: We disagree with this statement. We believe this is a very presumptive – and incorrect – statement. No matter how many oppose this plan, many others are supportive.]

Southport St. runs south to the Queensway and could be a good transition flow-way to the lakeshore. The Queensway street-car raiIs are currently an obstruction, The South Kingsway provides no pedestrian passage to the lakeshore.

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Corner of Queensway & Southport, looking south to Stelco site & old factory. (38K)

Properties on the north side of the Queensway enjoy a lake view. The group was very eager to see visual plans for the site, and they were clear that they wanted the development to fit aesthetically and conceptually with how they view their community. They also wanted to preserve the view as much as possible, and to maintain and enhance property values.

One group member provided a photo of the site taken before the Stelco plant was built. At that time there were two ponds at the western end of the location. The participant suggested that this be taken into account in planning the development.

Suggestions

  • Preserve the old Stelco office and use for some community function (e.g. daycare, recreation). There is a strong sense of history in the community, and one thought was that the facility could include an Archive Room. At the very least, do not destroy the wooden beams.
  • Improve passage south on Windermere to provide access to the lakeshore - e.g. widen, put up barriers or walls.
  • Purchase the property south of the Expressway where the low-income housing is planned to allow for additional passage to the lakeshore.
  • Improve the Windermere intersection. (How?). The idea of a "Windermere Square" was discussed.
  • Extend Southport as a transition flow-way to the lake-shore.
  • Install a "Welcome to Swansea" sign on the Expressway overpass.
  • Install a pedestrian path under the South Kingsway bridge to provide access to lake.

Concerns

  • Tower structure will obscure view of lake and lower property value. Community members do not know [what] is being planned by REON.
  • Stelco plant is buflt on two ponds – environmental consideration.
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Debrief and Followup Session

Don Richardson pointed out that the developers were prepared to work with the community and provide resources for certain enhancements, that might relate to trees, landscaping, traffic ameliorations, for example. There was consensus that people wanted to see some tentative drawings, with explanations.

Key Focus Areas:

  • extend street grid
  • Ellis Stream
  • preserve office
  • Southport extension
  • access to waterfront
  • options of tall towers vs alternative on SW corner
  • Windermere-Ellis intersection

Coordination

  • Some structure will be put in place to oversee:
    • Traffic
    • Lake access
    • Landscape
    • Historical aspects
    • Site plan
    • social/recreational
  • David Miller will look after overall coordination
  • Communication processes will be activated including Web, telephone, etc.

Next Meeting September 21, 4 pm
Town Hall

Agenda:

  • Committees
  • Look at drawings
  • How to move forward

Additional stakeholders should be invited to attend (incl. Railroad, Conservation Authority, Metro Roads,City Planners, etc.)

Public Meeting to be held later after resources are available