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updated: March 7, 2000

 February 12th - Saturday morning drop-in at Mad Apples

As a follow-up to the large December 1st community meeting, and in order for residents to meet each other and discuss their conderns, world19 organized an informal coffee discussion on Feb. 12 at Mad Apples. We were able to do this because the restaurant's chef-owner, Peter Ochitwa offered his facility for a community drop-in.

Below is the meeting report, as sent out in the world19News, an email newsletter.

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Notes from the Feb. 12 "Mad Apples" meeting

On Saturday morning, Feb 12, world19 organized an informal community discussion at Mad Apples restaurant. We invited people on our newsletter list as well as people who had contacted us over the past several months regarding the Village. Both City Councillors and our MPP joined us for the last half-hour. Our hope for the meeting was to create an informal setting where interested and involved residents could meet each other over coffee and discuss not only the "Village issue" but other areas of community concern. We also planned to focus on the "what's next" aspect of our Village campaign.

Before reporting on the meeing, three lead-off notes:
1. Thanks to Mad Apples:
We want to thank Peter Ochitwa, the owner-chef of Mad Apples for "lending" us his restaurant. Last fall he made the offer to us, suggesting it was a good way for community members to meet & mix, a way of linking residents and businesses who are all part of the community. We thought it was an excellent idea at the time, and post-meeting, are even more convinced of the value of these types of sessions. Again, many thanks to Peter for both the idea and offer.

2. No GAP????
Toward the end of the meeting, David Miller said that he had recently spoken with someone "high up" at the GAP about their intentions in the Village. He was told that they are no longer considering locating here "because of the community reaction". The official confirmed that the Village possiblity was not from their initiative -- that they were approached about locating here. Just a week ago, I had heard a "rumour" from one of the long-established local business owners that the GAP had "dropped out", and the owner or agent for the Cheese Boutique/Book Barrel property had re-approached the CB about a lease extension. According to this story, the CB owner (too far down the road with his new Ripley location) told them he was no longer interested.

Despite our various communications with both the GAP's property agent and the agent for the above-mentioned property owner, we still have no confidence that we know the state of this large property in the middle of the Village. The owner has a $2.3 million investment; 1/3 of it is sitting empty, and the remaining 2/3 will be vacated we assume in June. GAP or no GAP (in fact, whether or not the GAP was ever a serious player for that location, the concern remains about the impact to the dynamics of the community if this large parcel of land is leased or sold to the type of enterprise that could fundamentally alter the dynamics of the area.

3. Follow-up committees
Two proposals were made as follow up: first: the Village "task force" or committee as proposed by David Miller at the Dec. 1 meeting and again at Mad Apples. See the notes below regarding his comments. Also, Gerard Kennedy suggested an area that those interested in the Village could become involved in regarding small business tax. Again, see our notes on his comments, and also our follow-up at the end of this newsletter.

 

Meeting notes:
The morning's get-together had three aspects: the first 20 minutes or so was an opportunity for people to mix at tables over coffee & danishes to meet and discuss anything of interest. Then we opened up the floor for people to get up and make comments on anything related to the community. We posed a specific question: "What thing would you like to keep the same in the Village", and "What thing would you like to change". Of course, discussion ranged widely. Finally, for the last 30 minutes, 3 of our local politiciains joined us.

Community discussion

- the importance of preserving the unique character of the area. It's importance to residents and attraction to others
- the importance of diversity in the local businesses, and the type of personal interaction in traditional Village businesses. The people there are "part of your life"
- other problems for local businesses: many shopkeepers report business declining.
- some possible actions for this: groups of shops developing promotions on "off-days", e.g. discounts, free parking etc.
- parking: find ways to increase parking capacity (to address business needs and reduce impact on residential streets). The Parking Authority is a money-maker for the city.
- develop linkages with neighbouring areas such as Jane/Annette. The impact of new huge supermarkets (Loblaws/ A&P) was mentioned.
- BIA needs to develop more / better events to publicize the area. (A past innovative proposal of Peter Ochitwa's was mentioned that would have involved closing the Bloor / Runnymede intersection for a fund-raising event. Possible opposition by residents was cited as the reason this didn't go ahead. Peter brought up this instance as an example of how businesses and residents need to establish and maintain good communication. If people are aware of what is happening, kept informed and consulted, problems can often be solved or avoided)
- protection of historic buildings (e.g. Runnymede Theatre & Runnymede Library). The proposed expansion of the library was mentioned and what it may do to both library service and the building. "We should be vigilant".
- protection of the green space buffer north of Bloor.
- Inappropriate developments. The garish facade of the new Scotiabank was mentioned
- Bloor St. sidewalk problems; merchandise plugs up traffic from both sides.
- How do we get information and stay involved? Some instances that "just happened" were mentioned: the Meow nightclub, the giant billboard at the foot of Ellis.
- billboard proliferation esp. along mainstreets like Bloor, by High Park.

 At 10:00, our elected reps joined us. Here are some of their comments:
David Miller:
Re: Village:
- The City is uniquely positioned to help us steer BWV and its development in a way that's sensitive to community
- lack of tools. (as was mentioned by Beatte Bowren at our Dec. 1 meeting)
- bylaws don't exist to keep out certain businesses or to limit the size (to a point) of retail outlets.
- bringing together divergent interests: Miller cited a recent process in Parkdale dealing with the highly contentious housing issue. Homeowners, tenants, landlords and businesses have been at war with each other. A "conflict resolution process" was put in place to bring together divergent groups and find a mechanism for permanent community involvement. According to Miller, this has had great success.
- Although the Village issue is very different issue, he suggested that a similar approach is what he would like to develop: a Steering Committee consisting of various representatives of the differnt groups that would work on developing strategic planning ideas and a vision of the Village.
- This would be something completely new: no BIA has been involved in this type of action.
- He expects to convene a first meeting of this group in the next few weeks. [Note: see the Save the Village main page, for reports on this progress, and more on the formation of a new group].

Other issues:
- citizen involvement: impact of amalgamation has left people dissatisfied with their abiltiy to be involved / heard
- Council recognized the principles of citizen involvement, but under pressure of events in the first 2 years of Megacity, this got deferred; Council is now re-starting this priority.
- Event occurred last week as part of this - the first of a 5-part seminar "Building the New City of Toronto: Reflections on Civic Engagement"
- re: Meow: City has requested Alcohol commission to be more active informing residents of applications: to deliver notices to the area (similar to zoning applications); also to change their mandate in order to consider a liquor license a privilege rather than a right. In addition the City also requested a ban on licenses for donut shops.

Chis Korwin-Kuczynski
- responded to complaints about lack of information. said "no area is better informed" with written notices, his posters, etc. Sometimes even Councillors don't have information (e.g. some liquor applications). KK has asked the City to ensure Councillors are informed before agreements are made to erect billboards. Regarding the billboad that was sitting on the north-west corner of High Park - removal had been delayed because of jurisdictional changes since the Megacity.

Gerard Kennedy
Discussed "Village" issues from a provincial perspective: "things can be done" from heritage and tourism perspectives, but no legislative basis to suppot a community that wants to keep the character of its community.
Possibilities:
- "correction" needed in megacity. Needs to come from local community "where things don't work". Citizen involvment
- Small business tax. rents have gone up; people not renewing leases. This is related to business values, "last best use idea", which runs against the grain of having consistent business in an area. "You'll never be safe, never be secure". Mentioned old business tax that recognized small businesses, and the retail strip issue. This is an area that could be a legislative focus, and he said he would like to work with us on this... to make sure that taxes don't push out these types of businesses.
- Also mentioned the power of "consumer reaction" - especially with the new types of communication available - and its effect on companies or types of companies

In conclusion
We felt this was a very worthwhile exercise - an opportunity for neighbours to meet each other and voice their ideas and concerns. We were particularly encouraged as this was the outcome of resident / business co-operation - another step in recognizing the importance of involving all parties in how our area develops. We hope to have another similar gathering within the next couple of months.

As reported by David Miller, action is underway to put together a "Village task force". We are interested in hearing from any readers who would be interested either sitting on that committee, or being part of a larger residents' group that might be part of this process. The same applies to local business people. The BIA would definitely be part of this process, but interested members of the business community are welcome to participate independently.

And beyond this task force, we can see the possibility of other groups or sub-committees forming to deal with other issues that would involve participation from a broad community representation. One very real possibility would be the idea of focussing on the retail taxation issue as suggested by Gerard Kennedy (and of course, this could have both a provincial and municipal focus). Other areas are also possible.

Please contact us if you are interested in any type of participation in these areas.